Navigating the Intransigence of Matter: Ariadne Randall

In our in-depth interview, musician and performer Ariadne Randall talks about her artistic practice, being trans, and the upcoming performance Reverse Cowgirl II: Ride To The Top

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Ariadne Randall

As part of the imagetanz festival, prolific American artist Ariadne Randall, based in Vienna, will present the continuation of her Reverse Cowgirl performance series. We spoke with the artist in advance of the premiere.

1: Introduction & Artistic Journey

Choreographic Platform Austria

Could you tell us a bit about your artistic journey and practice?

Ariadne Randall

In some sense, I think my artistic practice has always been about navigating the intransigence of matter. Finding modes of expression that are suitable to the materials. Discovering limitations and dancing with them to create form. If the experience of meaning is articulated through form, that dance is already something.

My first dream was to become a jazz pianist. I studied this, but when I began conservatory, I suffered a terrible injury and was unable to play for years. So, I dedicated myself to electronic music, composition, and singing. I pursued this all the way through to a sound art degree at Bard MFA – a wonderful kind of post-Black Mountain College environment in upstate New York. There was a nice rhyme here: as a teenager, I convinced a British New Music magazine I was a respectable reviewer. Pure chutzpah from a country girl. They sent me weird CDs – and in a way, I spent my early life looking for their source, much of it around the Black Mountain folks. 

So my focus for about a decade was experimental techno and the long tradition of American experimental text/music performance – people like John Giorno, Laurie Anderson, Robert Ashley. I studied with and worked alongside people from that world. At the same time, I was making visual art, poetry, and performing in my friends’ pieces – Colin Self, for example. I ran a little radio station and hosted Dreamcrusher, Eartheater, Umfang. It was cunt and DIY.

The other thread was Zen Buddhism, which I apprenticed in for ten years with the intention to teach. The tradition is deep, playful, serious, and not for me to talk about. I’d say it mostly solves the deep human problems and leaves you with living. That might be an improvement. A sidecar to this was a lot of the kind of post-Jungian depth psychology you don’t much find in Europe. (Throw a rock in the woods in Northern California and you’ll hit a monastery and a Jungian, probably at the same time.) I like those weirdos because they actually do some of the things Jung did and had to lie about to stay respectable. Overwhelming visions, mysterious ecstasies, painting, talking to people who aren’t there. (Some call it “Saturday”.) The old Chan masters were also navigating times of change not unlike our own, and their answer was, in a sense: poetry. Maybe they were on to something. Anyway, I had to be an artist and not a teacher or therapist. Soul is ruthless with one’s life. It plays for keeps. Surfboard optional.

In some sense, I think my artistic practice has always been about navigating the intransigence of matter

Ariadne Randall

The whirls of fate led me to Austria. And again, I was faced with the intransigence of matter. During the pandemic, I had a sudden hearing injury – hyperacusis. I couldn’t listen to music for over a year. It was hard to go outside. Cars were Dreamcrusher shows. I was going to work on some friend’s pieces, like Deva’s first alpenhorn stuff, but, voilá – dodgy borders and broken ears. I was cooked. I had to navigate a new relationship with material and the inner world. If that relation couldn’t be through speakers or a concert stage, as it had been for more than a decade, then what might I do?

I began focusing on visual art and working with movement. I became active in the dance/performance world. I met many talented friends and colleagues in that universe. They all made me feel very welcome. I was lucky to do the Huggy Bears mentorship program for performance, helpful in orienting oneself. Inspired by a teacher, Michael Portnoy, I did some stand-up with PCCC* Comedy Club recently. I also wrote some music for the Volksoper, though the larger opera wasn’t greenlit. I’ve embarrassed myself all over town. Currently, I’m releasing music, making performance, and writing. I recently had a poem published in Der Standard, which was a delightful surprise.

2: Being transgender & Visibility

Another aspect of the intransigence of matter that I’ve had to negotiate is being transgender. For me, this was a significant limiting factor in my public career. I was always working, but this fundamental misalignment of self and identity made it difficult to have a broader profile outside of the cadre of experimental artists I knew as friends. It was a confusing time.

Fortunately, that barrier has been crossed in the last years – thank you, Vienna – and I’m deeply pleased and grateful to be able to present my work and myself in a fuller articulation.

I’ve also chosen to make this journey public in a Viennese context through the Reverse Cowgirl series of performances, four pieces which make the changes in my life, heart, and body public during the period of time in which hormone replacement therapy makes its most visible impacts. The first performance was at brut, as part of the Huggy Bears program, and the second is coming very soon in April – again at brut – with a wonderful group of collaborators.

This series of works is important to me for a few reasons. It’s important for trans, non-binary, and gender non-conforming folk to be public and present in this moment, for obvious reasons. And as a middle-aged trans person, I also hope that by making my own transition visible, it might have some kind of small positive impact. One of the fears people have when they’re considering questions of gender and sexuality is: Am I X enough? Am I queer enough? Am I non-binary enough? Am I pan enough? Am I trans* enough? And it can be intimidating not to see examples from those who are perhaps a bit older.

That’s one reason I asked McKenzie Wark to be part of this group of works. I knew her in New York City – we went to the same parties. Her public transition at a later stage of life and career was evidence that it’s never too late to find an articulation of self that resonates.

Another aspect of the intransigence of matter that I’ve had to negotiate is being transgender

Ariadne Randall

On a personal level, I was facing (am facing) many unknowns – gender, age, mortality, world events, and so on – and these are shared experiences, too. Building containers in which to explore and imagine these unknowns is something art does well, and so, while the working-through one might see on stage in a given piece has a personal aspect, one also hopes that process in itself can be of aid. Artists have to trust that their inner need is reflective of a collective need: it’s a bit of a hack, but it works. The personal is always already impersonal and collective. No life is outside the scope of life.

When I looked around the Viennese scene, I thought – Wait, that’s interesting. I don’t know if there’s another 40-year-old trans woman making this kind of work in this context right now. (I know there is in comedy and visual art and experimental music…but for the rest, maybe we haven’t met! Let’s hang out!) For example, when I lived in Berlin it was clear that the public influence and material conditions of queer club culture – and its antecedent, queer lifeways – has shaped all levels of aesthetic production. The situation in Vienna is distinct, and I find that difference exciting. It means a different kind of collective intervention and invention is possible and even necessary. We have to find our own methods. If my “outside eye” is of use, that’s great. Trans and queer people have practice in seeing matters from the inside and outside at once.

Despite my yapping, I’m not that interested in my personal story, in a way. As McKenzie says, echoing the old Chan texts: it’s good not to be too interested in one’s story. The experience of gender non-conformity brings up larger questions about what it means to be a self and a person, and how one might articulate oneself in the world. These are deep, old questions of art – particularly of performance. Therefore, performance is the right medium in which to articulate them.

3: Collaborators

CPA

Maybe we can stay with McKenzie Wark for a moment – after all, she’s an important thinker for our time. Can you tell me about her role in your performance and how this collaboration came about?

Ariadne Randall

Though no one will ever believe me now that she’s involved, the Reverse Cowgirl title actually had nothing to do with her at first. I was at a queer thrift market in Brooklyn, and a friend handed me this really cunty, cut-up, tasseled T-shirt with real country fringes. Bleached onto it, backwards and handwritten, was the word COWGIRL. When I saw it, I had just come out as trans, and I immediately flashed back to my childhood on a farm in Arkansas, in a very conservative, evangelical, apocalyptic religious universe. My life flashed before my eyes, and I thought – Oh, it’s me. I am that. Later that evening, I realized – Of course, I’ve already read McKenzie’s book. I’m doomed. This will be associated with her forever! And at that time, she wasn’t even involved yet.

I agree with you that McKenzie is an important thinker for our times. We don’t need me to say it, but I find she thinks around and through the matters of capital and post-capital in a way that cuts through received niceties and academic formalisms – without lacking rigor. Thinkers like that are rare in any time. It’s bracing work, cutting through, and takes courage and precision. Trans people know about the cut.

Anyway, the first Cowgirl work, Reverse Cowgirl (Beta), was about pre-transition, preparing for transition, what one might leave behind – in my case: a lot of heavy Evangelical things, and things related to masculine presentation. A different cut. When I started working on Reverse Cowgirl II, I realized – Of course, I need to reach out to McKenzie. And I did. We talked, and here we are. For this work, I asked here to write a new text and to read and perform the text. For a variety of practical reasons, this is a filmed contribution, although she will be here that week and we’ll give some lectures.

CPA

I also had to think of McKenzie’s book Raving, as raving plays a part in your performance.

Ariadne Randall

I think that Raving is an important book for many people now. I feel that her writing about raving and the – let’s not say utopian, but alternative – social possibilities of the rave, particularly from a trans/femme perspective, seem very much to resonate. There is an aspect in my performance that deals with this idea of rave as a space for alterity, for difference, for women, for queer, for trans, for all variety of folk to build a temporary world together. This will be explored in the piece.

There also is a long personal connection. I discovered queer raves early this millenium in the more Breaking-Bad-esque parts of California, trance synths and illegal generators lighting up the desert sky as the sun rose over military bases filled with instruments of death. Later, astonishingly good parties in New York – the Spectrum and Ghetto Gothic parties were around the corner from my flat, and their impact is still everywhere, really. Later, Berlin. I first saw McKenzie in person in these environments as well. Still an egg and with nothing much to show for myself but synthesisers and inchoate longing, I was afraid to talk to her. So it feels a bit like closing a circle.

CPA

Could you tell me more about your other collaborators in Reverse Cowgirl II: Ride To The Top?

Ariadne Randall

Something important to me about the piece is the presence of multiple generations of women of different kinds. There’s myself, a middle-aged trans woman. There's McKenzie Wark, a generation older. And my partner in the piece – which is a dance duet and performance duet – is a cisgender woman half my age, Nis Fee Brender. This intergenerational aspect is quite interesting to me. Not only for the implications of motherhood, sisterhood, mentoring, alternate or past selves, doppelgängers, and so on, but because there is a reason there are few trans* and queer elders. You don’t have to visit San Francisco to understand why. Trans history gets its false appearance of novelty, at least in Western culture, largely thanks to some rather local events.

The main dispositive of the piece, and the real trust fall on my part, was the early and deeply frightening decision to make the piece a dance duet between myself and a trained dancer. That’s Nis. Since we met and this project began, I’m really pleased that her own career has developed in ways that resonate with this work. She’s been Romeo Castellucci’s choreography assistant on several of his recent pieces and worked with Jonathan Burrows for her graduation thesis from SEAD in Salzburg. There’s a nice rhyme there. One of my first ways to try to understand the contemporary world of European dance/performance was 52 Portraits. I was fascinated by how Jonathan Burrows and Matteo Fargion come to dance from a musical and almost game-theoretic perspective. It turns out that Nis, long after I asked her to be in this piece, became the first person to create a 53rd Portrait with them. And the first proper piece of European contemporary theatre I ever saw, aside from a Teatr Zar piece at UCLA, was a Romeo epic they somehow shipped over to New Jersey, when my friend Asa was working on the sound. We took the bus and my brain got melted. So those rhymes are delightful. and I'm really excited to be working with her.

Something important to me about the piece is the presence of multiple generations of women of different kinds

Ariadne Randall

Another layer to that trust fall, of course, is myself. Dance of any kind was forbidden in the cult I was raised in. I get why. Movement shows the body what it wants, gives desire voice. Bodies say the unsayable. When I turned 18 I left the cult and learned various kinds of social dance as a way into my body. It was terrifying. I like to think I’d have done more if there was anything like a contemporary dance world where I lived, but in certain places ballet and contemporary dance might as well be on the surface of the sun for how distant and inconceivable they are. Anyway, without pretending to be naïve – I’ve worked with movement in music, Butoh, in other people’s stage pieces, and the first Cowgirl – I’m still an older woman without formal training. Placing myself on stage, in a vulnerable kind of way, alongside someone with a completely different background, is scary, but I hope effective. It’s at least a clear poetics by which to literalise the inherent vulnerability of being visibly trans.

Then, for the music, I decided to work with an old friend, Theodosia Roussos. She’s a Greek-Cypriot-American composer, improviser, soprano, and oboe and English horn player. We went to conservatory together years ago. 

There’s something I’ve noticed in the American improvisation / New Music adjacent zone – a shared language by virtue of culture and training. Pauline Oliveros and La Monte Young are in our sonic DNA. That’s something I find exciting to work with. But on a more basic level, Theodosia is just a marvellous and varied soprano – both classically and beyond. She’s performed for the EU as a representative of Greek vocal music, for example, and makes film scores. She brings a powerful, classical female voice – something I’m very aware that I will never have. And I thought that was interesting. A powerful soprano. A mother. A voice.

CPA

You work a lot with the power of your own voice too – like in your recent album, Her Water Dream / Image of a Blue Thumbs-Up. The voice is very present there.

Ariadne Randall

It’s been a big journey in itself, accepting the particularities of a voice – just as with the particularities of a body. Is my voice trans enough? What does it mean to be a woman with a baritone voice? What is my ‘own’ voice, what is a ‘character'? Does my voice have to pass? Do I have to pass? Trans folk often go through a period in which they try to lean into whatever the large cultural fantasy of X gender is, and sometimes then they decide that doesn’t quite fit. I recently asked myself a terrifying question: if I were a cis woman, what kind would I be? It’s strange, but one doesn’t ask oneself that until one does. My answer for now is that I wouldn’t look so different. I’d still have a shaved head and esoteric tattoos and wear boots fit for stomping. I’d still appear, perhaps, androgynous. That’s a woman too. One has to self-educate and self-make on this path, I think. The same as happens to anyone when they step away from an off-the-shelf life and towards a hand-made life. 

Self-made, but never alone. Unknown friends will come and seek you. I have a variety of degrees that present me in a certain way, but I was never a good student in any formal context, so I’m mainly self-taught. Maybe that helps me be a better teacher. Or listener, if I’m not monologuing in an interview. Making a voice. Anyway, voice is very present in Reverse Cowgirl II. Four women’s voices. All different. What’s more embodied than a voice? I mean, other than the physical presence of a body itself. Like sound, it’s inescapable.

4: Themes

CPA

You already hinted at your American Christian background. Can you elaborate on how it’s present in this piece?

Ariadne Randall

Well, you know, the last Reverse Cowgirl piece dealt a lot with my personal story. But in a way, I want this new piece to be about the present. Whatever American Gothic aspects my particular past may have is not the point. In the piece, we are women – here and now. Of course, my personal history is unavoidable as a shaping influence. But in general, I’m more interested in the present. Because there’s enough to say about that.

There’s walking down the street in Vienna – who looks at me? Who spits at me? Tells me I’ll go to hell, or worse? Who tells me I shouldn’t be here? Who says things in various languages, thinking I don’t understand? Who finds me exciting? The gay woman at the bar, the gay man at the bar, the straight man at the bar, the straight woman at the bar, none, all, neither? Who is angry if they are attracted to me? Who is confused? Who wants to hurt me when they feel that way? How is all that different from the hate one gets in other places? Who has it a lot worse than I do in all these ways and more?

There’s something about being transgender, in Vienna or most anywhere: whether or not you are interested in spectacle, you can be made to become one. That’s almost unavoidable here in the West. (And if you’re on the runway, babe, give them a show.) It’s partially a matter of statistics. The small percentage of the population that is transgender is quite vulnerable. We face systematic challenges – mental health, access to jobs, health care. We are often disconnected from our families of birth. That makes us an ideal political punching bag for those who want to create a specter.

What’s more embodied than a voice? I mean, other than the physical presence of a body itself. Like sound, it’s inescapable

Ariadne Randall

Studies show that people are less hateful of the Other when they come to know the Other personally. Not as symbols or avatars but as human beings. In many small towns and villages – whatever happens in the bedroom, honey – people don’t see out trans* folk except in media images and political propaganda. We’re there anyway, whether or not we’re visible, but media images are not your daughter, your friend, yourself. And any high-school mean girl knows: it’s easier to slander someone who’s not in the room. They can’t answer. The law is supposed to protect subaltern groups, but – surprise, surprise – it’s being used against us, too.

If I went back to where I was born dressed as I am today, I’d very likely be thrown in prison. Probably accused of various horrid crimes, while we’re at it. If I went to Florida and used the bathroom they decided is wrong, I could not only be imprisoned but forcibly de-transitioned. And we don’t even need to get into contemporary matters in the U.S. with passports and the like. 

In scary times I like to look for antecedents. We’re not that special now, even if our times are. People in the past faced uncertainty the same way we do. We’re here now. So maybe it’s an old story. Socrates was sentenced to death for corrupting the youth. He asked too many questions. Maybe there’s a sense in which trans and queer people are living answers to a certain kind of question. Questions like: can a person really be true to themselves? (Yes.) What will they give up to learn that? (Almost anything.) Will they find companions on the way? (Yes: as Jung says, when you do your work seriously, “unknown friends will come and seek you.”) Against whom will these adventurers struggle? (Everyone who envies their courage.) Trans and queer people thus threaten the powers that seek to repress the human spirit for their own gain, or keep life small. (And I haven’t even said “patriarchy” once.)

So, there’s enough to say about that. And about the matter of being a woman, aside from being trans. That’s vast enough for many lifetimes.

5: The Dance & Performance Scene in Vienna

CPA

You’ve lived in different cities. Are there specifics in Austria’s dance and performance scene that differ from other places?

Ariadne Randall

I’d say each place has its aesthetic markers and goals that can seem totalizing and self-evident. And often, these come from material conditions as well as much cultural factors. I learned that when I failed to make a music documentary in Iceland. I guess I’m both an inside and outside observer, in a way. If you’re totally inside you can’t see a thing but if you’re totally outside you don’t know how it works. In my case I’m totally wrong, so that’s having it both ways. Generalisations are reliably incomplete and misleading.

In the U.S., if we’re talking about large coastal cities – New York, L.A., San Francisco, the places that I spent much of my life in – the material conditions (to be a good Marxist about it) are profoundly different. Even in the before-times when I made these observations. The level of political and personal stress people are under is of a completely different order than what’s present here for most folks. The degree of fundamental insecurity – combined with effectively zero public funding for dance/performance – means that, for better or worse, there’s no middle class of creative work. Except for that which is sustained by academic tenure, adjunct exploitation, and things like that – exhausting. (Meanwhile, those who already have generational wealth ask us to shut our little mouths about it so they’re not embarrassed.) But one result of this rawness is that many people do not rely on outside approval. They build community. This can tend to make art vital. It’s got to be about inner necessity or you couldn’t bear the sacrifices required to get in the room to do it. Some of the best shows and performances I’ve ever played or witnessed happened for free in a basement with a bunch of friends. Maybe it’s been like that since forever – including the birth of opera, with the Florentine Camerata, a small group of people cosplaying as Greeks and making it up as they went. Of course, they were male aristocrats and the women around them were forced to wear bells so their purity could be tracked at all times – but the vibes were still weird. De Tocqueville pointed out the advantages of independent wealth in fostering eccentric art and cultural projects. I’m not for it, but it happens. A lot of what seems indie in the US is secretly funded, anyway: Sonic Youth’s first albums were paid for by Swiss millionaires. Not to mention Abstract Expressionism and the CIA. The pretension to bohemian origins is another kind of cosplay. For the rest of us, there is a lot of work to do. Structural violence runs deep.

To me, Vienna has a tremendous richness and diversity of work being made in dance and performance

Ariadne Randall

Still, for all that, the United States is ideologically still a Puritan country. Some things the Viennese wouldn’t flinch to see would shock audiences in most places in the States, except maybe in the most underground of noise basements, or unless Ron Athey is involved – cut to audience members fainting during a Holzinger piece. Europeans are often shocked that a nude body is forbidden in the States – what else could be more human and sacred? – but shoot-em-up movies are just fine. Make it make sense.

Anyway, I can’t speak for Austria as a whole. To me, Vienna has a tremendous richness and diversity of work being made in dance and performance. There’s a blend of extremity, formal possibility, self-reflection, and a particular humour – a reflection, I’ve been told, of the great interwar cabaret culture which was later exported to New York to become stand-up. The range of forms and topics is quite broad. There are so many interesting venues and spaces. It’s not determined by some totalizing narrative or aesthetic. I find that exciting. The blend of international folks in the scene here has a different constitution than I’ve seen in New York, L.A., Berlin, Amsterdam. We’re in the middle of Europe, after all. There is a lot of social and material resources here for artists and performers and a lot of training, much of it quite traditional. At the same time, there is the bifacted, Janus-like face of Viennese cultural production – the Mozart vs. Wiener Aktionismus dichotomy. Or Kokoschka writing and showing Murderer, Hope of Women in the garden of the Seccession, while Klimt was just inside, hanging his elaborate neo-Byzantine portraits made for a bourgouise clientele. There is this still combination of tradition and edge that I find exciting.

But, when I look around Europe and think about structures I’d import to give people more chances to see and to make great work here, there’s one big thing. Vienna needs a rigorous, well-funded, sufficiently-independent masters program in contemporary choreography and performance. Why leave that to DAS and SNDO and PARTS and ICI-CCN and lose the economic and cultural benefits of that constant exchange? Vienna is a cultural icon, we have two art schools, we have the festivals – why not this? What do we need, a building or two? The discourse and the scene and the horizon of aesthetic possibility would be beautifully enhanced by a larger number of young, ambitious makers moving here from all over the world, the way visual artists and classical musicians do. This simple, big change would bring a lot of fire to the stage.

6: Future Plans

CPA

Any future plans you can share?

Ariadne Randall

Oh, honey. Yes. Always. A girl’s gotta work.

I hope to make two more Reverse Cowgirl pieces. The third, Fresh Out of Forgiveness, will be a trio, including an AMAB dancer. Imagine Dolly Parton meets Versailles in my grandfather’s illegal moonshine bar in the rural American South.

This year, I have some things coming up too. In May, I’ll open a solo exhibition of visual art at my gallery, Peter Gaugy, in Vienna and Brussels. In June, a new multi-channel A/V work alongside the media artist Janine Scheer-Erb at Semmelweisklinik through the Moozak platform. Live 3D visuals, two women’s voices, viola da gamba, experimental synths. In the Fall, I’ll release my next album, Our Mouths Are Spring – a work for voice and modular synthesizer about love, internet infrastructure, commodities, dating apps, and how all these things have become entangled. It is based on a poem I published in New York City and will exist as an album on Oxtail Records, and with Ms. Scheer-Erb as a queer A/V duo performance, online world, and perhaps a physical exhibition. I’m looking forward to that.

Several events with McKenzie will take place during the week of the Brut performance. On April 9th, she and I will present a ludic talk at Museumsquartier called Playing Gender. This talk will incorporate certain game rules as we engage in dialogue through speech and sound. And later that week, on April 11th, we will give a shared lecture at the Angewandte Interdisciplinary Lab (AIL). (DJs post-discourse, obviously.) These events are collaborations with the Experimental Game Cultures masters program and the Art x Science School for Transformation, respectively – both at the Angewandte.

CPA

Is there something we haven’t touched in the interview yet that you would like to add?

Ariadne Randall

Regarding Reverse Cowgirl II, one thing I’d like to add is how grateful and happy I am about the presence of Lau Lukkarila and Luca Bonamore as outside eyes in the piece. It's a vulnerable thing for me because of its movement aspects, its physicality. I’m very glad about their presence. 

Oh – and if you need a stylist, call Nyx Ferrand. While you can. A ride or die collaborator on these works, the whole cowgirl rodeo wears Nyx. It’s fate: they handed me the tasselled shirt that started the whole arc. I praise their poetic, shitposting vision and literary sensitivity. Their brilliant conceptual work is woven deeply into the fabric of the whole Cowgirl series, and it wouldn’t exist without them.

Bio

Ariadne Randall is an American artist, composer, and writer based in Vienna. Her work practices worldbuilding through transmedia narrative. Through strategies of material depth and formal juxtaposition, she creates spaces for imagination in sound, language, and image. She holds degrees in classical composition and contemporary art from UCLA and Bard MFA. Her work has been heard widely, from Lincoln Center and a recent song cycle for the Vienna Volksoper to countless basements; been a part of work featured in the BBC, CNN, and Artforum; and participated in the SPRING, ImageTanz, and Musiktheatertage festivals.

Her Reverse Cowgirl Trilogy rides her gender transition towards larger questions of identity and becoming; its second chapter features McKenzie Wark, among others, and will premiere at brut wien in 2025. The trilogy’s first chapter, Reverse Cowgirl (Beta), premiered at the same house in 2023 through the Huggy Bears mentorship program.

Her debut record under her chosen name, Her Water Dream / Image of a Blue Thumbs-Up, was released in 2024 on Oxtail Recordings and received a rare ‘A’ rating from SPIN magazine; it is the first release in the Here Is Always Vanishing series, a lifework centering recorded sound. She is represented by Galerie Peter Gaugy (Brussels/Vienna).

Ariadne Randall